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Poster: Round Robin Date: Aug 19, 2012 5:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

Yeah the ID thing, I agree you should need ID to vote, waiting till now to start changing it up is pretty bad. Interesting to read your post, for politics news over your way I usually just watch MSNBC with O'Donnell and Maddow.

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Aug 19, 2012 6:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

Unfortunately watching o'donnell and maddow is the same as watching limbaugh and hannity all 4 have an ax to grind and are pushing an extreme view but I have given up on most news outlets and I just have to draw my own conclusions on things and this is where I have come too, interesting discussion robin! Have a great rest of your weekend across the pond!

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Poster: billydlions Date: Aug 19, 2012 6:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

I agree with just about everything you've posted on this topic, well done! I try and read columnists on both sides that I find to be sensible such as Richard Cohen or David Brooks. David Broder was excellent (RIP). Dana Milbank and Krauthammer are more opinionated but I enjoy their columns as well.

I just like to give that asshole Bluedevil a hard time. I think he and Obama should release their college transcripts so we can see how smart they really are. How 'bout it BD?

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Aug 19, 2012 7:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

One of my favorite columnists is Thomas Sowell

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/08/14/the_paul_ryan_choice

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 19, 2012 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

I'll release all that I'm legally required to release and all that "you people" are entitled to see.

For Monte: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h62m4d4MmA

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Aug 19, 2012 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: very-Dead -- but who's watching? who cares?

Re: Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell, Al Sharpton, Ed Shultz and MSNBC

MSNBC (and NBC Universal, CNBC, and the NBC network) are owned by GE (General Electric). GE is a defense contractor, a nuclear bomb tester, and a financial services outfit. Then they got into the business of taking over Big Media and news outlets. GE defense, nuclear - Googled for you.

On Jan 28, 2011, Comcast Corp completed its takeover of NBC Universal, creating a $30 billion media behemoth that controls not just how television shows and movies are made but how they are delivered to people's homes. Comcast, the No. 1 provider of video and residential Internet service in the United States, acquired a 51 percent stake in NBC Universal from General Electric. Executives at Comcast spent more than 13 months working on getting the deal through a rigorous U.S. regulatory review process with the Federal Communications Commission and Justice Department.
Phil Donahue - fired by MSNBC in 2003, due to anti-war reporting
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0227-04.htm

Keith Olbermann's Countdown - "forced out" by MSNBC in Jan, 2011
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#41201922

Cenk Uygur - "forced out" by MSNBC in July, 2011
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/22/rejecting_lucrative_offer_cenk_uygur_leaves
People don't hear about important issues anymore. They hear these negative charges, which only turn them off more. The more negative stuff you hear, the less interested you are in going out to vote. And so they're being turned off and the stations are raking it in. The people in Washington, DC and the big banks are the ones who get to keep their hands on the levers of power.

So one of the big reasons that things are at the pass they are is that America's founders never could have anticipated that a small group of people, a financial enterprise and the technology could create this environment. Facts, truth, accountability, and stuff like that just aren't entertaining. So because news is not entertaining, because the stations think news ratings are poisonous, they don't cover the news. No one saw this coming. America's founders never imagined the digital information age and its corporate takeover.

But there was a time in which the press, the print press, news on television and radio were speaking truth to power, people paid attention, and it made a difference. I don't think the Watergate trials would have happened, the Senate hearings, had there not been the kind of commitment from the news to cover the news. - http://archive.org/post/422388/should-romney-court-deadheads-like-obama-did

The political square is now a commercial enterprise, owned and operated for the benefit of the brand, CNN, Fox, MSNBC, Comcast, and all of those. The News has become irrelevant. How did this happen? How did we sell what belonged to everyone?

We did it by believing that what we have now is the way things have always been, and this is what it should be. The notion that what goes on is actually made by people, changes through time, and represents the deployment of political power — that notion has gone away. Today, Americans think, "it's always been this way." People are watching fake-news programs on CNN (owned by Time Warner), MSNBC (owned by Comcast and General Electric), and Fox (owned by Rupert Murdoch). Americans think this is how it works. Americans no longer have a sense of history. Many Americans today have no idea where stuff comes from, and no idea how stuff works.

This is amnesia which has been deliberately cultivated by journalism, and by the Entertainment Corporations in this country. It helps prevent people from saying, "Wait a minute, that's the wrong path to be on."

In other words, WE'RE SCREWED! -- http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-big-money-big-media-big-trouble/

Re: Jer on politics, instead of Tom Morello...

Grateful Dead's Rain Forrest Benefit show was played on Sept 24, 1988 at Madison Square Garden
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http://archive.org/details/gd1988-09-24.121064.NeumannKMF4.daweez.d5scott.flac16

High Times INTERVIEW: JERRY GARCIA (1989)

In 1988, scientists predicted, at the rate of present destruction, all rainforests will be gone by the year 2050, just sixty years from today. Tropical rainforests are the richest, oldest, most productive, and most complex ecosystems on earth. While they comprise only two percent of the globe, they support an estimated five million plant, animal, and insect species, as well as many indigenous people who can survive nowhere else.

On Tuesday, September 13, 1988, Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, and Mickey Hart from the Grateful Dead, as well as Dr. Jason Clay, the director of Cultural Survival, Peter Bahouth, the Chairman of Greenpeace USA, and Randall Hayes, the Director of the Rainforest Action Network, sat down at the panel in conference room four of the United Nations and alerted the world's press to the horror of the vanishing rain forest. When asked why the Grateful Dead was getting into the act and helping to publicize the plight of the rainforest, Jerry Garcia answered in his own inimitable style, "It seems pathetic that it has to be us, with all the other citizens of the planet, and all the other resources out there, but since no one else is doing anything about it, we don't really have any choice."

HIGH TIMES hooked up with Jerry back at his hotel room and asked him to elaborate on his role in speaking out in defense of the rainforest a few days before the Dead's benefit concert at Madison Square Garden in New York City. Below are a few excerpts...

Jer: Bob starts to talk me into it. The whole thing metamorphosed into finally getting the groups that were willing to work together -- which turned out to be Greenpeace, the Rainforest Coalition, and the Indigenous Peoples. These guys are all pretty far out on the fringe. You know Greenpeace -- they're the guys that go out there and nail themselves to a tree. That kind of direct action is what we're looking for. We want it to be as easy to understand as possible.

The rainforest problem seems so remote. It's like, there's no rainforest around here. Who's it bothering? It really is scary, because we started first hearing the bad news about this 20 years ago. They said, "We gotta do something about the rainforest. They're burning it down -- they're tearing it up even as we talk." Now, here it is 20 years later, and sure enough, the rainforests are almost all gone now. Fifty years -- they'll all be gone. That's it. Fifty years is not a long time anymore. That's in the life span of my kids.

High Times: You've made the statement that you think it's pretty pathetic that you're the ones who have to do it.

Jer: Yeah, it is. It's an alarming feeling. This is an earth problem -- the whole earth. And who's left talking about it? Us.

Come on! We're not the ones. We're not qualified to do it. But we're going to do it unless, or until, somebody else does. We're going to keep working on it. We're going to get as much support from as many people as we possibly can. We're committed to it, so if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. We're pretty serious about it.

High Times: Do you think people are getting more concerned? What have the reactions to what you've been doing been like?

Jer: People are amazed that this is still an issue. "Oh, really? Is that still happening?" They're also amazed to find out how close we are to the end of this -- we're not going to have this to talk about much longer. That's the scary part. The other part is that everybody feels remote and powerless -- it's something going on between those huge companies somewhere in Brazil and what can we do? It's so distant. So, after we've done this show, and followed this money to the work that it's supposed to accomplish, and come back and say, "Well look, we've raised a million dollars at this show. We accomplished this, this, and this; that, that, and that."

There is something you can do -- it's just a matter of just knocking them over one at a time. We've been advised now to focus on these areas. Each one will pull our focus a little tighter, so that we know a little more each time. This is something that has to be learned -- nobody knows it yet. So we're going in the spirit of an ongoing learning situation which will tell us how to deal with it. read the full High Times interview with Jer in 1989

read about the Grateful Dead's roots and their Greenpeace connection